alf jessup Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 All good Alf it was more of a demonstration that generalization of facts is pointless and can lead you in any direction. But Deb, There is a generalization demonstration of them stopping on a fairly regular basis compared to others, so the facts on this matter at hand are not really pointless. Alf 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rankamateur Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Sounds like we need to Ban pilots!!!... Steady Andy, are looking for a move to CASA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Haha.. Yea I'm considering dropping them a CV... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rankamateur Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Your plan would definitely reduce the fatality rate and eliminate in flight engine failures. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalph Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Haha.. Yea I'm considering dropping them a CV... Wait a minute Merv! I though you said a while back that you would be Jab's new Sales Manager and the best one they ever had. Changed your mind already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 :)) I'll do both!! .. The advertising slogan can be " as seen on tv " and " now casa approved" ... Teehee.. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Eventually we won't get people silly enough to do these jobs for us. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Koreelah Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Interesting comment Turbo ! My recollection of 'recent fatals ' has mainly been VH registered aircraft ... ...and they didn't have Jabiru engines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ornis Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 The only suggestion I have offered Lee Ungermann is: Maybe it's time to be looking at ballistic parachutes, regardless. (Some aircraft, especially training.) I believe in Germany insurance is compulsory and companies demand parachutes. It doesn't address unreliable engines; it's more a possible path than a plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bexrbetter Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Eventually we won't get people silly enough to do these jobs for us. Nev Yup, I was Prez of a motorcycle club for 7 years and a pretty casual club at that - only fools and horses, never again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Burdon Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 But it does show pilots not coping with engine failures. Well this thread is about a draft proposal for Jabiru aircraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabiru Phil Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Statistics spelt out. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x3lmwpqcvngbhmc/AABw3oWZLXjlljBdBQ6iDiIPa?dl=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Who's drop box ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabiru Phil Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 That is quite a collection there Phil. I have many others like it. Good to see non Jabiru owners in there too. Yes Deb, Makes interesting reading. A template for those who have not yet emailed their submission. Phil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Just a question mate. Seeing as you said statistics spelled out, thought it might have been put together by the raa . It's just yours I take it? What statistic is the drop box with several submissions " spelling out" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 "Baited" breath indeed Doc, although I think the word is "bated", short for "abated" And his nickname is "Major" rather that "Marje" Ross and I have clashed on many occasions, but I have a lot of respect for him, and I've been watching fascinated as he seems to have been copping it post after post, for a Draft Proposal by CASA, which we have seen is a routine action by the Safety Authority. Believe me, Ross can't outgun them, and, you might not believe this, but if, after calling for comments from the whole industry, they decide to go ahead with an instrument, it is likely to be based on sound statistical evidence rather than something Ross said at a function. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetjr Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 No merv i dont thonk they hand out jobs to onstructors, perhaps they should. Instructors unrivalled knowledge of all facets of business, risk and basically everything known and unknown is hard to parallel. At leasr that is often their view. Its well known of course no one is appointed above their capabilities within CASA, or any other govt dept His management of this issue is what Im grading him upon. Perhaps you should access and read Phils dropbox info before asking questions, its the ASTB report. Great collection of responses Phil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Yes , it's a collection of responses. Not statistics or data of any kind , I did read them all jet. I enjoy your digs at instructors :) Really? Nothing left to offer ? Let's start attacking instructors now, why not. We have attacked everyone else in the industry. Let's continue the downward spiral of rubbish. Your posts are often insightful and well constructed, but some times they are just a big girly whinge withe sly digs and childish rants. Please continue to offer the well founded and respectful knowledge you have, we all enjoy it :)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Trying to clean things up now...perhaps I just close the thread so I can go back to bed, just about had enough 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDQDI Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 No one was having a go at instructors, I simply said No merv i dont thonk they hand out jobs to onstructors, perhaps they should. Instructors unrivalled knowledge of all facets of business, risk and basically everything known and unknown is hard to parallel. At least that is often their view. Maybe not a real go but it could definitely be read as a pointed nudge. This whole thread has gotten pretty pathetic. Soon we will need to have different sections at flyins because none of us will get along. I don't always agree with Daffyd but he isn't missing much is he. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 No one was having a go at instructors, I simply said that other capabilities would be required to be in his current position, if they are an in instructor too thats great but not relevant to current role.RAA thought being an instructor gave the skills to manage it too, look how that turned out Where are the mods, stream of anti Jabiru jibes (pretty low considering how much owners stand to lose right now) then a run of personal insults I don't understand why you guys automatically label folks as Jab bashers just because they mention the well known problems of the Jabiru engine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 This thread is about a very serious technical situation, not about one upmanship on the gossip circuit. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motzartmerv Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Board memebrs, Casa employees, raa reps, instructors, lames, l2's... Who else can we vent our frustrations on?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Or it might be better if we hit the CASA site, looked at the regulations, learnt about the process, realised how many CASA people might be involved in it, and worked out a way to correct the damage done by writing to politicians with a message which more or less said "Regardless of the number of engine failures, forced landings and potential for injuries and fatalities, we want to keep our toys" (which BTW carries no weight at all in a safety matter.) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted November 25, 2014 Share Posted November 25, 2014 Thread cleaned up AGAIN.... Comment on CASA by all means but do NOT target individual employees...you are opening this site up to ramifications that I will just pass on to you Instructors have absolutely nothing to do with CASA - Draft Proposal for Jabiru Aircraft and neither do cars, motorbikes etc...start new threads if you wish to discuss these PLEASE, discuss this issue but do not deviate from it, do not be derogatory or put down any other poster because you may have a different opinion, state your opinion but in terms that are not in a way that can cause conflict, and no more one line snarl comments. I do NOT want to close this thread and I hope you do not leave me with no other alternative for the sake of the well being of this site, because that is what will always come first, the well being of this incredible resource for all 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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