Flying Binghi Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Defenders of what ? “...Britain’s Royal Air Force (RAF) is embracing gender-neutral pronouns such as ‘Ze’, ‘Per’, and ‘Hir’ to become “fit for the 21st century.”...” https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2020/10/22/air-force-embraces-gender-neutral-pronouns-airman-becomes-air-per/ As “Force” is a very masculine term and is now ‘wrong-think’ the RAF will need to be renamed. To save having to repaint every thing in the RAF inventory it is proposed to just re-think the F in RAF. A competition will be held to find the appropriate ‘right-think’ of the ‘wrong-think’ F term... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 So rewrite "he entered the cockpit"". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Hilarious to see people quoting from breitbart in general discussion- there is a whole section for comedy and made up stuff 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M61A1 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 For those in the industry it's far from hilarious. The Original article may be a joke, bit I assure you that it's not that different in reality. It bothers me greatly that our Police Service now thinks it's the Special Forces and our Defence Force is now more like a "Special School" competing to see just how "woke" they can be. It's not a good sign. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_Atrick Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Firstly, this is probably a better discussion to behas on socialaustralia, as it is politial rather than flying related. I rarely click on a link to Brietbart, but did on this occasion.. At best, a tepid attempt to sensationalise something that reflects its makeup and introducing gener nuetral pronouns - and what is actually wrong with that.. There are women fighter pilots as well as women chefs and technicians/engineers.. And for haircuts and head-gear... well, they are simply reflecting the times - probably to continue to attract the best to its ranks.. Re turbans: they have allowed them for at least 19 years as when I did work at a RAF base, there were service personnel wearing them.. in fact, bringing them into uniform could be seen as tightening discipline a bit... Two great editorial quotes from that article: "... although the flying service somehow managed to see off Hitler’s Luftwaffe in the 1940s without recourse to gender-neutral pronouns." Yes, but I am sure the vernacular has changed somewhat since WWII.. I don't recall anyone at the RAF still saying "Tally-Ho, Ol Chap".. Also by that logic, since they fended off the Luftwaffe using spitfires and hurricanes, why on earth did they bother upgrading to jets since.. FFS.. "The Ministry of Defence has been led by Conservative Party politicians since 2010.".. Er... So? They are actually caning their own right wing.. Fantastic (also, it is not the MOD that is implementing this, it is the RAF themselves - so no - not led by any political party). Also, something about introducing woke culture as if it is a bad thing... Well, it isn;t, although, as usual, the right try and hojack terms to suit their twisted agenda: https://www.theguardian.com/society/shortcuts/2020/jan/21/how-the-word-woke-was-weaponised-by-the-right I do agree though, that the potential scrapping of tanks is an issue, but the £500K for a diversit and inclusion directorate is being reported by the British "Freedom" Party and the Daily Wail (er, Mail) and no-one else - can't find reference to it from MOD nor army sources on the net... And, for reference, there is no mention in the Brietbart crap that the RAF will be renaming itself to change the word force.. And sorry to differe FB, but force is very much a gender neutral word already.. Nice try at futher sensationalism, though... (I don't support the left any more than the right, but it appears the right are whipping up a frenzy not too dissimilar to both "sides" of the left/right divide prior to WWII... Interesting times ahead...) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Binghi Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share Posted October 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said: Firstly, this is probably a better discussion to behas on socialaustralia, as it is politial rather than flying related... Sad really. When discussing the RAF these days it is not about flying............. 😉 . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_Atrick Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Flying Binghi said: Sad really. When discussing the RAF these days it is not about flying............. 😉 . Yes.. Sadly what happens when a schlock rag tries to make a mountain out of a molehill 😉 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Binghi Posted October 23, 2020 Author Share Posted October 23, 2020 15 hours ago, Jerry_Atrick said: ...I rarely click on a link to Brietbart, but did on this occasion.. ...There are women fighter pilots as well as women chefs and technicians/engineers.. “...women fighter pilots...” Tut-tut !... Jerry_Atrick, yer caint have women fighter pilots - They is now woper fighter pilots..... 🙂 😚 . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F10 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) Yes this is stepping on the dangerous thin ice of politics....can’t help but comment on some who appear to be impartial and “why all the fuss”, but then slips like “the rights twisted agenda” give their bias away. My view, if the Spifire and Hurricane pilots could see the state of England today, the anti Semitism and the PC insanity, I dare say they would have turned around and escorted the Heinkels, Ju88’s and Dorniers to London. Edited May 10, 2021 by F10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yenn Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 Looking back at history I think you could say that USA was anti semitic before the war. It was only Hitlers actions that made Judaism something to hold up as fine and good. Israel is working hard to turn that view around, but once the Yanks have something to glorify it takes a lot to change their mind. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F10 Posted May 10, 2021 Share Posted May 10, 2021 (edited) Really really don’t want to be political, but I will never agree with your view on Israel. They have faced more of a threat and onslaught than any country on earth, not to mention the slaughter of 6 million countrymen in the last war. They have an undeniable right to exist. It is others, not they, who pick a fight with them, in my view. Edited May 10, 2021 by F10 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Binghi Posted August 17, 2021 Author Share Posted August 17, 2021 As the Taliban launched their final campaign to retake the country the Biden Administration and General Milley were celebrating Pride Month in Kabul. Brilliant idea - Nothing like stirring up the Islamic locals whilst in the middle of a war..😏 The mind boggles at the ineptitude of going woke mid-war... https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/pride-comes-fall-us-embassy-kabul-celebrating-pride-month-taliban-launched-final-campaign-retake-country/ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_Atrick Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 ^^^^^^^ OK.. And your point is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Binghi Posted August 18, 2021 Author Share Posted August 18, 2021 The wokest of the ‘Woke’ generals explains... General Milley: “The Taliban are in and around Kabul right now but they are not interfering with our operations.” Meanwhile... “...Women cry and plead with US soldiers to let them in the gate at the Kabul Airport...” https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/video-horror-kabul-taliban-begins-home-searches-public-beatings-women-scream-help-outside-airport-gate-traitors-beaten-street-40000-americans-remain-trapped-country/ . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jerry_Atrick Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Flying Binghi said: The wokest of the ‘Woke’ generals explains... General Milley: “The Taliban are in and around Kabul right now but they are not interfering with our operations.” Meanwhile... “...Women cry and plead with US soldiers to let them in the gate at the Kabul Airport...” https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/video-horror-kabul-taliban-begins-home-searches-public-beatings-women-scream-help-outside-airport-gate-traitors-beaten-street-40000-americans-remain-trapped-country/ . Yes... Quote from General, probably taken out of context against the reporting of people fleeing to the airport... Still not sure of your point. General says that at that point in time, the Taliban aren't interfering with their operations, which may have been true, and at the same time people are panicking and wanting to get to the airport - which may have also been true... So, what is the point? How have the two been connected, except by the word "meanwhile"?? Hard to draw any conclusions. Then the stuff about pride month celebrations. The original photo with the article, since taken down was found to be a fake: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-kabul-photoshop-idUSL1N2PO1FB And there is no record of Biden celebrating pride month at the Kabul embassy - virtually or in person: https://factba.se/biden/calendar And even if he did, was does "celebrating mean"... It could have been a call about ensuring diversity, including those of the Afgnan population is respected when determining who gets to leave. A snippet from a dodgy news site is a bit of a worry for you to rely on for your news sources. Edited August 19, 2021 by Jerry_Atrick 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 And a small amount of research on FB's part would show that the U.S. military has a permanent ban on the flying of the rainbow flag at any military installation. "The only flag to be flown is the Stars & Stripes". https://thehill.com/policy/defense/556952-pentagon-to-keep-ban-on-pride-most-other-flags-from-being-flown-on-military 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 FB seems to be suffering from a problem that also affects pilots decision making, confirmation bias. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Flying Binghi Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 18 hours ago, onetrack said: And a small amount of research on FB's part would show that the U.S. military has a permanent ban on the flying of the rainbow flag at any military installation. "The only flag to be flown is the Stars & Stripes". https://thehill.com/policy/defense/556952-pentagon-to-keep-ban-on-pride-most-other-flags-from-being-flown-on-military onetrack, the link I referenced did not claim the flag was flown. Although my first impression were the same as yours, the actual article makes no such claim. The June 6th tweet from the US Afghan embassy: “...The month of June is recognized as (LGBTI) Pride Month. The United States respects the dignity & equality of LGBTI people & celebrates their contributions to the society. We remain committed to supporting civil rights of minorities, including LGBTI persons...” https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/08/pride-comes-fall-us-embassy-kabul-celebrating-pride-month-taliban-launched-final-campaign-retake-country/ . Edited August 19, 2021 by Flying Binghi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flying Binghi Posted August 19, 2021 Author Share Posted August 19, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Thruster88 said: FB seems to be suffering from a problem that also affects pilots decision making, confirmation bias. Knock on wood to be sure, eh..😏... “...President Joe Biden claimed in an interview Wednesday no one was getting killed around the airport in Kabul, Afghanistan, despite reports of 12 deaths in the area...” https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/19/joe-biden-claims-no-ones-being-killed-right-now-in-kabul-despite-reports-of-12-deaths/ . Edited August 19, 2021 by Flying Binghi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_Atrick Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Third time lucky, eh, FB? 1st Try some conspiracy story about celebrating diversity month amid the chaos - untrue (oh, and that article originally had the photo, which is why I looked it up). Second attempt to conflate two statements into a contradiction when they were just two statements that could have been true and occurred coincidentally.. Finally, you've hit the jackpot that Biden is a crackpot.. though there is no "wokeism" involved, that fascist leaning leaders would solve; just a stuff up.. sort of... This is the actual quote: ""But, look – but no one's being killed right now, God forgive me if I'm wrong about that, but no one's being killed right now." It either shows a remarkable likeness to his predecessors indifference to the truth, or that Biden is a) suffering dementia; or b) simply not up to date with what is going in. The article I took this from is here: https://news.yahoo.com/biden-says-apos-no-one-141659367.html, where it goes on to say, "Nevertheless, Biden asserted to Stephanopoulos that the Taliban is providing "safe passage for Americans to get out." So, it could (and I stress, could) be that when Biden was making the remark, rather than referring to people dying resulting from being crushed on their way to the airport or from falling off hanging onto the aircraft as it took off, it may (and I stress, may) be that Biden was referring to being killed by the Taliban. Of which, at the time, there was no evidence (to my knowledge, anyway). So, he may not be crazy, lying, or any of the above with respect to that comment. But, to be honest, as politics is the grubbiest of the nobly grubby professions, I think he did knowingly lie, or at least use the truth in a context that made it an outright lie. I don't think anyone, even dedicated democrats, are making out this was the only way out, or even that the US (and RoW) should have pulled out. This is a monumental cock-up of magnanimous proportions. In this test of his presidency, it is (in my opinion), a big fail, bordering on criminal. But he isn't the only one to have stuffed up... Trumps withdrawal from Syria wasn't exactly a shining light on leaving a country such that the population the US were protecting were safe. So, almost fascists quelling wokeism (as if it is bad, anyway), is also probably not the answer. It has made a real dent in his popularity and probably cemented further cynicism to the claim "America is back" to working with its allies. As someone who considers themselves centrist (libertarian even), one can only condemn what he has done and how he has handled it. Even that "bastion of wokesim", the BBC, has poured scorn on him, my favourite being this one: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/58243158. Does it mean he is unfit to be president? No more so than his predecessor; in fact he is still more fit, IMHO. Unf, there are currently no real alternatives. So, FB.. third time lucky - and with a Brietbart quote, too.. Go to the top of the class 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
APenNameAndThatA Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 On 10/05/2021 at 1:06 PM, F10 said: Really really don’t want to be political, but I will never agree with your view on Israel. They have faced more of a threat and onslaught than any country on earth, not to mention the slaughter of 6 million countrymen in the last war. They have an undeniable right to exist. It is others, not they, who pick a fight with them, in my view. What’s your view about the occupied territories? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry_Atrick Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Oh boy.. Why a small stretch of land gathers so much attention when so many other wars are going on in the same area, resulting in hundreds of thousands, if not millions of deaths and suffering, I will never know... But, this has been discussed ad-nauseam on the sister site, originally in a couple of other threads, and of laterly, this one: https://www.socialaustralia.com.au/topic/1477-israel/ I originally was of the opinion most people are today, but after the discussion started in other threads on the sister site,I did a bit of research, and now I am not so sure.. When asking peoples' views of the occupied territories, it may pay to ask the son of a Hamas founder, a video of which is in the second page the the thread there. He has had first hand experience inside and outside of the territories - and had a privileged life inside the territories, so, had a vested interest of maintaining the status quo... My personal opinion (although not asked of) is that it is really complicated and takes a lot of research to get to the bottom of; But, in terms of recent history, there would appear to have been many carrots dangled to allow a 2 state solution.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F10 Posted August 25, 2021 Share Posted August 25, 2021 On 21/08/2021 at 7:58 PM, APenNameAndThatA said: What’s your view about the occupied territories? Simple, most of the Jewish settlements were in areas that had been agreed to by Arafat and Netanyahu in that original dual state agreement. But when Jews started to "occupy" these agreed to areas, they were ctiticized. Now, I think its more about survival. Clearly areas occupied by the Jewish people will not be used for uguided rocket attacks or incendary balloons. Nice neighuours! Still, funny how Tel Aviv airport isn't full of desperate people wanting to leave, as we see in Kabul, seems people aren't too keen to live in an "Islamic Sharia Law utopia". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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