spacesailor Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Yes !. I agree about my' dream-machine being too much for recreational flying. Did you see the garage bill ?. ( hangaridge ) , $ 15,000 Insurance only $ 50,000 , delivery cost , $ 95,000 . Management cost ,WEEE !. $ 163,650 , For twelve months , UNBELIEVABLE . spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Let me look again ! . To buy & build a Hangar-Home $ 150,000 ., ( someone said ). A brand new Aeroprakt Vixxen , ?. ( I will have to let someone fill that price in ) . But less than $ 250,000 . ( I hope ). How much to get it delivered ? $ 95,350 ! Seems awfully steep . So , only half a $ million , I would still feel like a millionaire. spacesailor PS the wife would have something to say about the house !. LoL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tillmanr Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 An average Vixxen approaches AUD200K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 A VH Gazelle was 73.000 dollars. What does that translate to now? Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 9 minutes ago, facthunter said: A VH Gazelle was 73.000 dollars What's the price with a comma as a separator? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 You can cope with a typo. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 20 minutes ago, facthunter said: A VH Gazelle was 73.000 dollars. What does that translate to now? Nev if you paid 73k in 1990 it is equivalent to roughly 172k now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 AT LEAST THAT. look at Land, Houses and even cars . Money is losing it's VALUE fast. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, facthunter said: AT LEAST THAT. look at Land, Houses and even cars . Money is losing it's VALUE fast. Nev i got the figure off an online calculator, has to be right because its on the internet.😁 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I tried to get the Vixxen price from their Web sites. Not much good for price comparisons. spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Face it - you don't even think about taking to the air if you're on a limited low income, or a pension - unless it's a corporate pension, of course - which then lends a whole new world of meaning to the term "struggling on a pension". https://www.cnbc.com/2015/10/28/ceos-have-millions-of-dollars-in-retirement-accounts.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Perhaps , that could be Why the " Hummel bird " was singled-out to be grounded by that innocuous " wing loading rule " . The specs for most aircraft are nowhere, as good for a " home- build " single seat , all metal monoplane. At 6 lph cruising at 100 mph. It say heaps for the design. spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, spacesailor said: Perhaps , that could be Why the " Hummel bird " was singled-out to be grounded by that innocuous " wing loading rule " . The specs for most aircraft are nowhere, as good for a " home- build " single seat , all metal monoplane. At 6 lph cruising at 100 mph. It say heaps for the design. spacesailor thats impressive economy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Cheap to. Build , Cheap to fly, Cheap to hangar . Then insurance, but it's not a $ million aircraft so it ' should be cheap .. Then , I'm told " It's Fun to fly " . spacesailor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 12 hours ago, spacesailor said: grounded by that innocuous " wing loading rule What exactly are the figures used in that rule? According to the published specs, for the Hummel Bird's 18 ft (5.5 m) wingspan with wing area of 57.2 sq ft ( and Gross weight of 550 lbs (250 kg), it has a wing loading of 9.6 lbs/sq ft (5.3 kg/sq m) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailer Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 There are bargains still to be had if you really want to get in the air on a budget. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingVizsla Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Yes, there are "bargains"; we have our Lightwing for sale with a 912 with 86 hours on it, 55 rego, so it can be used for training. Asking $20k. A new 912 is $33k? We've had a little interest, but not a sale. It's on the Lightwing forum (Classies were not working when I listed it) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Ah! If wishes were wing'ed horses, buggers like me would fly. Lexicographer's Alert. Spacey wrote, that innocuous " wing loading rule Spacey, you've chosen the wrong word for to describe that rule as it applies to the Hummel Bird. Innocuous means "not harmful or offensive". The word you really wanted was iniquitous which means "grossly unfair and morally wrong". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skippydiesel Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) When pricing new aircraft, it seems to me that most people are costing the "top of the line bird" (or near too) with all the bells & whistles - try costing the basic varient or even the advanced kit. You might find that for many many $K less you will have an aircraft that performs as well, if not better (lighter), than the bling upon bling varient. The manufacturer that I used to sell a few aircraft for had a a roughly $50k difference between the basic and the top of the line aircraft - same airframe/engine/prop the difference was almost all in the avionics and a few upmarket additions like autopilot, electric flaps, electric trim, fancy paint job, etc Edited June 1, 2023 by skippydiesel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 TOP models is probably where the profit is made. They are labour intensive and low volume so cannot be cheap unless in a kit form. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 O M E Thank you ! . It was close though. I tried to google it , and that was the only one ( I thought) recognisable. Such a small rule , that if you said " I flew a test circuit " , that rule didn't apply. ' Grandfathers rule ' . SO It Is an ' iniquitous ' rule that targets ( seemingly) one aircraft , out of all the models , they are changing rules , to accommodate , G A aircraft . spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 48 minutes ago, spacesailor said: It Is an ' iniquitous ' rule that targets ( seemingly) one aircraft Spacey, You haven't told us what the rule is. I would have thought that high wing loading would be the killer. Is 5.3 kg/sq m a high wing loading? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 3 minutes ago, old man emu said: Spacey, You haven't told us what the rule is. I would have thought that high wing loading would be the killer. Is 5.3 kg/sq m a high wing loading? There's a thread on it; from memory one of our members, Kasper. took the trouble to explain step by step to him what was involved in registering it to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old man emu Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, turboplanner said: There's a thread on it I'll go look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted June 1, 2023 Share Posted June 1, 2023 Just insured my Vixxen for north of $200k. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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