trailer Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-20/two-people-to-safe-after-plane-crashes-in-sea-leighton/102249554 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrano Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 I think the carby's flooded... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Good on her. Both uninjured and no one else hurt, can't ask for much more than that when the fan stops. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgmwa Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Just watched the video of the ditching. Great example of how to do it well. Calm ocean and bystanders nearby also helped. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkaneshiro Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 (edited) great skill and was lucky to be near the shore. watching the video maybe makes you a bit less hesitant to ditch in the ocean? i always thought the risk of doing a cartwheel was fairly high on a fixed undercarriage plane. Edited April 20, 2023 by hkaneshiro 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thruster88 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Looks like they had the door cracked open prior to touchdown, text book perfect. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
440032 Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 View from the helicopter - they left the door open! DOH! Good work all you peeps who swam out to assist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 With only one door on the RH side of a PA28 you need to get your passenger to unlock the top latch as you can't concentrate on the landing approach & do this as well. Then unlatch the main door lock. There was little swell so that was a bonus but landing along the swell line is the recommended and best way. Fully stalled from about 20-30 feet, the prop stopped windmilling & a perfect ditching was executed. This should be incorporated into a ditching training video. Hats off to you Michelle Yeates. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted April 20, 2023 Share Posted April 20, 2023 Never seen stalling from THAT height mentioned along the swell and into wind in that order. Slow speed touchdown is good. Bounce off a wave into the next is bad. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 20-30 feet was my estimation of height when the yoke was pulled right back. That was when the left wheel was about equal with the horizon. On closer inspection I reckon about 18-20 feet. Anyway it worked out that on touchdown with the sea she had the least amount of forward speed and descent rate. Faster and it may have nosed over. Slower and with increased vertical speed the wheels would likely have dug in more quickly and may have also nosed over. Even the ABC couldn't help themselves with a witness statement. "When it nosedived, that's when I started screaming". When was that? Once the wheels were in the water stopping most forward momentum, the tail came up & settled down in less than 1/2 a second. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 It wouldn't be the least descent rate. When you stall you fall. Lower stall, you'd not start to fall and you'd be stalling in "ground" effect more which is slower. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlegg Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Young son should be very proud of mum 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I'm not saying other wise Just dealing with a few points arising from the discussion not infering criticism as the results are good. Having the door ready to open is important in this plane. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFguy Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I dont think it stalled at all, looks like a perfect flare and land on the ocean, with enough energy / airspeed to get a GOOD flare (lots of tail authority) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 When I was learning (1968), although not actually done in training, I was taught that in an actual forced landing, you unlatch the door, at least in a single engined one door such as Musketeer or PA28, in case the fuselage deforms jamming the door. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 I reckon the perfect landing is when you are fully stalled when the wheels grease the ground. You don't want the aircraft to keep flying. You will still have rudder authority until steering/ differential braking takes over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted April 21, 2023 Share Posted April 21, 2023 Great airmanship. I hope I can do as well if the time comes. And congratulations on channel for not calling it a crash landing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 The aircraft has been recovered, and fortunately, with its condition, it's likely the source of the engine stoppage will be found. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-04-21/wreckage-removed-of-light-plane-that-crashed-leighton-beach/102250564 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poteroo Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Well, I thought it was the best example of a water ditching that I have ever seen. I know that the PIC received absolutely the best instruction in this procedure, was very competent, was current, and was cool under pressure. You can't get better than this. bravo, 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted April 22, 2023 Share Posted April 22, 2023 Would ditching and submersion in sea water automatically write off the aircraft, or could it be restored? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I don't believe it would ever be a good aircraft after being immersed in seawater. Seaplanes etc have extra corrosion proofing but suffer badly from corrosion unless operated in freshwater situations. Nev 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Marty_d said: Would ditching and submersion in sea water automatically write off the aircraft, or could it be restored? I think it is theoretically possible, but there are so many parts that would require complete replacement and the cost of restoration would far outweigh the value of the finished product, plus there is that niggling thought that something was missed and continues to corrode. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planedriver Posted April 23, 2023 Share Posted April 23, 2023 I would have the same concerns, much the same as possible corrosion on electrical connectors when i've seen helicopters posing on the back of mega-yachts in the Mediterranean. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 On 23/04/2023 at 9:09 AM, Marty_d said: Would ditching and submersion in sea water automatically write off the aircraft, or could it be restored? every nook and cranny now has salt in it. Would be a mission to get it all out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danny_galaga Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Pretty sure it's only value now would be for scrap. Imagine how much time and effort it would take to fix this rather common plane. Insurance certainly wouldn't wear it... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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