old man emu Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 You forgot the Arado E555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 It looks "Forgettable". One uncontained engine failure would take out the lot. Nev 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 A twin engined Cessna 172 created by AI. See, AI ain't perfect. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Isn't that one of those extremely rare Cessna Tri-Motors? They got the idea from Junkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 2 hours ago, onetrack said: Isn't that one of those extremely rare Cessna Tri-Motors? They got the idea from Junkers. ................NON mesor It was THee French who was first !!! [Stated Turdo in his french quise]as he posted this picture,,,,,,,AAnd they also designed the................. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bull Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, bull said: ................NON mesor It was THee French who was first !!! [Stated Turdo in his french quise]as he posted this picture,,,,,,,AAnd they also designed the................. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Farman F.4X F-AHAF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrendAn Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 2 minutes ago, red750 said: Farman F.4X F-AHAF looks more like a what the farkin f4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty_d Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 It sure is one ugly motherfarman. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 Check out this link. Scroll down to the text and read the aircraft generic version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted October 11, 2023 Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) Farman? Far-out, Man!! It's actually a JABIRU!! Spectacularly ugly doesn't even begin to describe it! Imagine trying to land it? Edited October 11, 2023 by onetrack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 The design more than any other has managed to keep the Engines near the centre of drag. It has an ample rudder and a dorsal fin. Once you got used to the seat height , control should be better than most others of the period. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBob Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 47 minutes ago, facthunter said: The design more than any other has managed to keep the Engines near the centre of drag. It has an ample rudder and a dorsal fin. Once you got used to the seat height , control should be better than most others of the period. Nev But can you imagine the noise ?????????? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 The pilot is only close to ONE "smallish" engine and it's not supercharged like in a Spitfire or Hurricane with close (to you) stub exhausts. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 1 hour ago, IBob said: But can you imagine the noise ?????????? The noise mightn't have been as bad as one might expect, as the engines were water-cooled 300HP Salmsons. However, I'm struggling to see where the radiators are positioned. I can see header tanks on top of the engines, but the radiators are well hidden. What is puzzling, is that monstrous shielding plate in front of the engines? That would appear to reduce cooling effort by a substantial amount. Even more puzzling, is that Salmson reportedly stopped building water-cooled engines in 1920, so these engines must have been surplus engines, perhaps WW1 military surplus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmson_water-cooled_aero-engines Nev, the Farman F.4X Jabiru couldn't have been a huge success in the handling dept. Of the 4 built - the first of which flew in 1923 - 2 crashed in 1925, and the remaining 2 were immediately withdrawn from service - obviously over some fears associated with their flying abilities. Not exactly a long and illustrious flying record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 The crashes could have been caused by the engines. They didn't have a great record and can't be feathered. so you have three reasons to not be able to stay in the air. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) Interestingly, F-AHAF was one of the surviving F.4X's and after being withdrawn from service, it was later converted to an F.121 model. So, yes, you may be correct about the water-cooled Salmsons lack of reliability. Coolant leaks were constant in that era, natural rubber was all that was available for hoses, and gasket materials often lacked durability. Here's a great 1927 film clip of a Farman F.121 taxiing and takeoff. Powered by 4 x 180HP Hispano-Suiza V8's. Climb performance could be rated as "leisurely" at best. The level of visibility for the pax is enormous for the era. Edited October 12, 2023 by onetrack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Palatial inside. Big lift wing and not a Biplane. Nev 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red750 Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 OUCH!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facthunter Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Would not cost a lot to fix, actually. Nev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 So, that rates a Big Minus for horizontal bi-fold doors on a hangar! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 No, a big minus for the idiot parking there and a huge kick into orbit for the numbnuts that closed the door. Nothing wrong with the door, just f..kwits who used it. Shows what happens when you stick your bum where it shouldn't be. Called ,"shit happens" 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetrack Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 Litespeed, you sure it wasn't a wind-actuated event, as the aircraft was being wheeled out? I inherited a Tilt-a-Door as the garage door on our house when we moved in. It's a disaster waiting to happen with strong wind gusts. It's nearly landed on the car several times as we drove in or out. I will never have another door that raises up, in a manner where it can be slammed shut by wind gusts. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacesailor Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 And , the ' roller ' door loses it's springs. & forever closing down on you . But those ' electric roller doors ' just jam , ( at the most awkward time ) . I haven't seen a ' horizontal roller door ' Yet . spacesailor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Litespeed Posted October 12, 2023 Share Posted October 12, 2023 I accept it could be a wind blown accident, but that's a lot of damage. Though at final stage of travel the door force is considerable. I thought it was a motor driven one that's been shut. So you think it was been moved from the hangar and the wind slammed down the door? At the exact moment? Or did the pilot? Leave it below the door in the danger zone? Given the design of bifold, how does a wind force bar a vertical download make such a door slam when they act as wings into the approaching wind, thus wanting to stay in the folding position? Bar the resistance of springs etc detaching due to sudden mechanical failure, I don't get it. I admit my hangar door knowledge is limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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