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Mangalore incident today (19/2/2020)


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DEATHS FEARED IN PLANE CRASH AT MANGALORE

There are fears of fatalities as police and paramedics rush to the scene of a plane crash at Mangalore, north of Melbourne, a popular spot with recreational flyers and a major aviation-training facility with a pilot academy.

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So tragic? We each have a destiny, sadly this was theirs? Take care out there guys, we operate in potentially dangerous environments everytime we leave the ground.

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This is just awful. I can't remember the last time we had a major MAC in Australia. My condolences to all the families involved

We had one about ten years ago at Moorabbin when the tower called a near first solo to turn crosswind well before the crosswing turn point and an instructor and student smacked into him as he turned downwind. He spun all the way down and drilled the ground, but the instructor managed to get the other aircraft down.

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I note the collision was at around 4000 feet and cloudbase was about 4000 feet so it wasn't a case of poor communication/ procedures near the circuit.

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Both aircraft were flying to IFR plans; both were responsible for maintaining separation, and there is currently considerable discussion among experienced GA pilots about where ATSB sits in this. In IFR some of the key transmissions come from a long way away from the airfield. Who transmitted what and when and on what frequency may be key to this one.

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IFR after 1st January 2020 = ADSB,

Regardless of "key transmissions" they should have been seen that's the whole point of ADSB. Something went wrong big time maybe one ADSB was not working and they where not listening or transmitting on the correct frequency. Swiss cheese event????

This accident needs to be investigated and findings made public.

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IFR after 1st January 2020 = ADSB,

Regardless of "key transmissions" they should have been seen that's the whole point of ADSB. Something went wrong big time maybe one ADSB was not working and they where not listening or transmitting on the correct frequency. Swiss cheese event????

This accident needs to be investigated and findings made public.

I think this one is going to rightfully scare a lot of RA and GA people into the reality that ADSB, is not the magic solution which allows a pilot to disregard other forms of ensuring separation.

There already has been one squeal for TCAS, but you then look at an era like we had in the 1970s where the communication/navigation equipment was worth more than the airframe and engine.

As to your last point, I think this will be receiving a very thorough analysis by ATSB. It has some complicating factors in it like where each aircraft came from and where each aircraft was going, and the formal notification and pilot to pilot notification as a result.

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