farri Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Before I stopped farming, as farmer and share holder of a cooperative Sugar Mill, I got to see what went on with the board of our Mill, which consisted of sugar cane farmers...Cane farmers would be elected to the board and given the right to manage the running of the mill....Bad decisions as well as good decisions were regularly made...Next board election, some board members would be out, some reelected and some new members appointed, but always from the cane farmers, due to the constitution of the mill...This went on, until, finally! The Mill could no longer carry on financially, because of the bad decisions that were made along the way...As share holders, all the farmers were liable for the huge deficit that required to be paid, so in the end, the mill had to be sold off, to private, over seas interests. Running a Sugar Mill, has always been "Big Business" and has always required people on the board with the skills required to run "Big Business"... By electing people without those skills, the demise of our mill was something that some of us farmers and share holders, could see coming, but could do little to stop. Regardless of how well meaning, those who stand for election to the RA-Aus board are, it will not be run correctly, without the people who have the required skills to run, what has now become, not only an organisation to administer recreational flying, but, "Big Business." Can this be achieved by simply electing board members, because they are members of the RA-Aus?...I believe not!!! Frank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev17ifly2 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Feel free to apply the same comparison to local, state and federal government. Thank god RA's deficit isn,t anywhere near that of Australia's. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kasper Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Before I stopped farming, as farmer and share holder of a cooperative Sugar Mill, I got to see what went on with the board of our Mill, which consisted of sugar cane farmers...Cane farmers would be elected to the board and given the right to manage the running of the mill....Bad decisions as well as good decisions were regularly made...Next board election, some board members would be out, some reelected and some new members appointed, but always from the cane farmers, due to the constitution of the mill...This went on, until, finally! The Mill could no longer carry on financially, because of the bad decisions that were made along the way...As share holders, all the farmers were liable for the huge deficit that required to be paid, so in the end, the mill had to be sold off, to private, over seas interests.Running a Sugar Mill, has always been "Big Business" and has always required people on the board with the skills required to run "Big Business"... By electing people without those skills, the demise of our mill was something that some of us farmers and share holders, could see coming, but could do little to stop. Regardless of how well meaning, those who stand for election to the RA-Aus board are, it will not be run correctly, without the people who have the required skills to run, what has now become, not only an organisation to administer recreational flying, but, "Big Business." Can this be achieved by simply electing board members, because they are members of the RA-Aus?...I believe not!!! Frank. Yes and no. The board sets policy and direction - they are the RAA members voice. The paid employees implement policy and manage operations bringing items to the attention of the board as required - these are not necessarily RAA members and they are being paid for their skills to run a business. In a very small organisation, and particularly a member run one, you will find board members doing more and more of the policy development and policy implementation, the larger the organisation the less involved in daily running the board members will be. The RAA is not a small business but neither is it a large business - its in the middle. IMHO: RAA is having growing pains as it moves away from direct management control by board to indirect management control with the executive and employed management still feeling their feet. The fact that the board numbers exceed the executive and senior management numbers by about 2 to 1 is not helping (too many cooks and all of that). I look forward to a draft new constitution and how it is proposed to reform the board and the management of the membership - I really hope the RAA starts getting member engagement right on this area and it is sent as a draft discussion document well before it is implemented - unlike the current Ops Manual and hinted at Tech Manual where we find out after the event and deal with any peculiarities as they arise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgwilson Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Just to get back to the original topic, I just paid my $90.00 for 18 issues of Sportpilot from July onwards & my invoice number is No 00000217. I like to relax & read a magazine & flip through pages rather than read from a PC or tablet so I have no problem paying the money, but if my invoice number is anything to go by, then not many of the rest of the 10,000 members think so at this stage. I wonder how many more will take up the offer by 1 July. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Just to get back to the original topic, I just paid my $90.00 for 18 issues of Sportpilot from July onwards & my invoice number is No 00000217. I like to relax & read a magazine & flip through pages rather than read from a PC or tablet so I have no problem paying the money, but if my invoice number is anything to go by, then not many of the rest of the 10,000 members think so at this stage. I wonder how many more will take up the offer by 1 July. Hmm! You get 18 months? I only got 12 on a tax receipt dated 1st June. Is this us city dwellers getting screwed again? Col Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly_tornado Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Feel free to apply the same comparison to local, state and federal government. Thank god RA's deficit isn,t anywhere near that of Australia's. The libs cracked $38B in a year, a new record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DGL Fox Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Hmm! You get 18 months? I only got 12 on a tax receipt dated 1st June. Is this us city dwellers getting screwed again?Col This is my receipt...I got 18months..I think you need to be a current financial RA-Aus member to get the extra 6 months.. Receipt/Tax Invoice Invoice Number: 00000214 06-06-2015 David L CABOOLTURE QLD 4510 Australia Sport Pilot Magazine - 1 Year Subscription + 6 months free subscription! (ending 06-12-2016) $90.00 Total (GST Included) $90.00 Thank you for your purchase. You will be sent a reminder via email two months before your subscription expires inviting you to resubscribe. You can also view Sport Pilot online at www.issuu.com or the Recreational Aviation Australia website. Recreational Aviation Australia promotes safe, accessible, fun, enjoyable aviation. Recreational Aviation Australia | ABN 40 070 931 645 | PO Box 1265 FYSHWICK ACT 2609 E: [email protected] | P: 02 6280 4700 | F: 02 6280 4775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Hmm! You get 18 months? I only got 12 on a tax receipt dated 1st June. . . . Col, drop the CEO an email and I'm sure you'll get the 18 editions. Perhaps when you coughed up the decision to offer the bonus 6 issues had not been made. You will certainly be entitled to 18 issues. Don Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coljones Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Col, drop the CEO an email and I'm sure you'll get the 18 editions. Perhaps when you coughed up the decision to offer the bonus 6 issues had not been made. You will certainly be entitled to 18 issues.Don Done (to the staff), an hour ago - after all $45 is 20 minutes in a Jab!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryc Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I wonder how many will take the offer of a printed magazine. I will have a guess of 500-1000 but closer to the 500 mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Maj Millard Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Jim is a good guy. Pity he feels the need to stay away from this forum since joining the board, but it is understandable. Jim does pop on occasionally........personally I don't envy his task as RAAus treasure on top of the fact that he is currently also studying at Uni....lots on his plate there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingVizsla Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 June Sport Pilot is available - http://issuu.com/michaellinke/docs/sport_pilot_jun_2015 I am reading it now; in Springsure on a better internet connection - seamless and easy. Just finished Letters to the Ed and the President's column. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev17ifly2 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Reality check !! I bet there is a heap of you pilots and armchair aviators who subscribe or buy other aviation magazines. So why the banging on about Sport Pilot. It is a by product of RAA not its sole purpose for existance. As I stated previously - you can't even buy a membership to your local pub darts association for the price of a membership to RAA. If you are now finding aviation too expensive either trade the Audi in on a Kia or give it away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Reality check !! I bet there is a heap of you pilots and armchair aviators who subscribe or buy other aviation magazines. So why the banging on about Sport Pilot. It is a by product of RAA not its sole purpose for existance.As I stated previously - you can't even buy a membership to your local pub darts association for the price of a membership to RAA. If you are now finding aviation too expensive either trade the Audi in on a Kia or give it away. But you can be a member of the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia and receive 11 excellent magazines per year for around $ 90 and you as a member are covered for $20 million liabilty insurance when shooting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonRamsay Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Unless there is a continuing, sizeable take-up of the printed magazine, it could become too expensive to print in small volumes. Oddly enough, the longer the print version remains around the longer the digital version will be held back from using the full functionality of the digital medium. That is, of course, as long as there is any attempt to keep the print and digital versions identical. I noticed in the latest edition, just out, that hot links work in the digital version. That is just the thinnest edge of the wedge. Imagine when, e.g. the President/Chair's report is delivered by video and you get the full emphasis of what he/she is saying compared with the easily misconstrued black and white print ? Imagine when technical articles include hot links to the manufacturer's maintenance/operations manuals and the RAAus Tech manual? When you can actually *hear* the sound of a crook motor or gearbox? Possibilities with the digital version are considerable and have barely scratched the surface of what is possible. Possibilities of the print media have already been reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev17ifly2 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 But you can be a member of the Sporting Shooters Association of Australia and receive 11 excellent magazines per year for around $ 90 and you as a member are covered for $20 million liabilty insurance when shooting. Danza, as a primary producer I pay no fee for my shooters licence however I can understand why members of the SSAA need $20 mill cover given the way many of them conduct themselves when hunting (or poaching ) deer. Not a valid comparison given that SSAA is a virtual political party 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Rubbish, they have a good safety record, and show how an Association should be run. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev17ifly2 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I Speak from first hand knowledge not an urbanite fed with anecdotal and media rubbish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 So do I; your neighbourhood may have more ferals. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev17ifly2 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 You are flogging a dead horse here, turbo. Let's get back to the thread where most flying under the auspice of RAA not only don't want to support the organisation that keeps them in the air but are also too tight to pay for their associations magazine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pmccarthy Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I nearly hit a deer last night, big rack, just out of Newstead. Maybe I can sue the sporting shooters for allowing it live and present a hazard on our roads. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboplanner Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Gee, you let 3 months meat get away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ev17ifly2 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 I a I nearly hit a deer last night, big rack, just out of Newstead. Maybe I can sue the sporting shooters for allowing it live and present a hazard on our roads. I'm surprised you didn't already have your light and 308 hanging out the window. Typical weekend up our way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazza 38 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Danza, as a primary producer I pay no fee for my shooters licence however I can understand why members of the SSAA need $20 mill cover given the way many of them conduct themselves when hunting (or poaching ) deer.Not a valid comparison given that SSAA is a virtual political party My name's not Danza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff13 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 My name's not Danza I don't know Danza, sounds like a good name for a deer with a big rack. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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